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Bug 1232

Summary:	KDM in 3.5.13.1 requires Ctrl+Alt+Del
Product:	TDE	Reporter:	Alexis PM <alexispm_stellaluna>
Component:	tdebase	Assignee:	Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf>
Status:	RESOLVED FIXED
Severity:	major	CC:	alexispm_stellaluna, bugwatch, darrella, michele.calgaro, pfrederick1, slavek.banko
Priority:	P5
Version:	3.5.13 [Trinity]
Hardware:	Other
OS:	Linux
Compiler Version:		TDE Version String:
Application Version:		Application Name:

Description Alexis PM 2012-09-20 13:36:58 CDT

I just upgraded to 3.5.13.1 (Slavek repo: deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/slavek-banko/axis/ubuntu squeeze
main) and now KDM requieres me to press Ctrl+Alt+Del to begin.
Although I understand security reasons, I find it very puzzling for novices (eg I have found that many newbies do not understand that the symbol "+" refers the keys must press simultaneously - they often think this is a secuency and press the "+" key). Moreover for non-English speakers, because the message is only in English, and the key "Del" is renamed by country (eg in Spain it is common called Supr). Overall and on balance, I propose to remove this new functionality.

Comment 1 Timothy Pearson 2012-09-20 18:48:59 CDT

While the referenced SAK functionality is considered integral to TDE and therefore will not be removed, it can be disabled on a machine via the "Login Manager" KControl module or by manually editing a configuration file.

Comment 2 Timothy Pearson 2012-09-20 19:10:26 CDT

On further consideration, the translation issues are very real and need to be resolved, therefore this bug should remain open to track those issues exclusively.

Comment 3 Slávek Banko 2012-09-20 19:20:24 CDT

In any case, this bug does not seem like blocking for release 3.5.13.1.

Comment 4 Alexis PM 2012-09-21 05:50:42 CDT

I can handle the translation into Spanish, and thus get close this bug quickly in view of the upcoming releases (or not, since I assume should remain open to other languages that provides TDE)

Comment 5 Paul 2013-10-29 00:26:16 CDT

I just installed Trinity yesterday on a new Debian Wheezy install and I cannot login with the TDM. I get that Ctrl+Alt+Del message and when I hit those keys absolutely nothing happens. So I have to kill the DM with /etc/init.d/kdm-trinity stop, then issue startx from the console. It is pretty annoying. So what do I have to do to get rid of that obnoxious stuff? Other than that everything else seems to work OK to me.

Comment 6 Slávek Banko 2013-10-30 16:51:01 CDT

(Odpověď na komentář #5)
> I just installed Trinity yesterday on a new Debian Wheezy install and I cannot
> login with the TDM. I get that Ctrl+Alt+Del message and when I hit those keys
> absolutely nothing happens. So I have to kill the DM with
> /etc/init.d/kdm-trinity stop, then issue startx from the console. It is pretty
> annoying. So what do I have to do to get rid of that obnoxious stuff? Other
> than that everything else seems to work OK to me.

To turn off Ctrl+Alt+Del in /etc/trinity/kdm/kdmrc enable option UseSAK=false.
At this moment I do not have idea why Ctrl+Alt+Del did not work on your machine.

Comment 7 Paul 2013-10-30 21:55:56 CDT

(In reply to comment #6)
> (Odpověď na komentář #5)
> > I just installed Trinity yesterday on a new Debian Wheezy install and I cannot
> > login with the TDM. I get that Ctrl+Alt+Del message and when I hit those keys
> > absolutely nothing happens. So I have to kill the DM with
> > /etc/init.d/kdm-trinity stop, then issue startx from the console. It is pretty
> > annoying. So what do I have to do to get rid of that obnoxious stuff? Other
> > than that everything else seems to work OK to me.
> 
> To turn off Ctrl+Alt+Del in /etc/trinity/kdm/kdmrc enable option UseSAK=false.
> At this moment I do not have idea why Ctrl+Alt+Del did not work on your
> machine.

Thanks for the reply. I just checked on that machine and I will make that change on it. If there is any other debugging information that I can supply to help track down the cause I'll be happy to supply it. Although honestly having to give my computer the 3 finger salute in order to login is not my idea of a good time, even if it did work.

That system is my first experience with Debian Wheezy. Up until about 3 days ago I was running Debian Squeeze on it, but I got a new hard drive, so I installed Wheezy on it.

Regardless of my feelings I'd still like to track down the cause because the desktop manager being stone cold dead is not a good first impression. So I'd like to see it fixed. Other than that I love my Trinity! I am running it on 3 different PCs now.

Comment 8 Darrell 2014-02-07 11:33:58 CST

>To turn off Ctrl+Alt+Del in /etc/trinity/kdm/kdmrc enable option UseSAK=false.
We should make false the default.

Comment 9 Michele Calgaro 2014-02-09 00:44:03 CST

(In reply to comment #5)
Paul, after you kill TDE with "/etc/init.d/tdm-trinity stop" and then issue startx from the console, does the Ctrl+Alt+Del work fine?

Comment 10 Darrell 2014-02-11 14:21:40 CST

>We should make false the default.
Patch proposed in bug 1915.

Comment 11 Michele Calgaro 2014-02-11 21:48:56 CST

(In reply to comment #10)
Thanks Darrell.
Anyhow I would like to see if we can replicate Paul's problem to find also the root cause. For that we need Paul's feedback.

Comment 12 Darrell 2014-02-24 21:10:02 CST

Bug 1915: TDM UseSAK default should be false: patch pushed to git in commit a7e7483a. Does not affect 3.5.13.2 directly, but the patch could be back ported by packagers.

Comment 13 Michele Calgaro 2014-03-05 21:32:53 CST

SAK is now disable as default option.
I am closing this bug.
Paul, should the problem persists, please reopen the bug. If you can replicate this on a regular basis, I would be interested in tracking down the real problem.

Comment 14 Paul 2014-03-07 15:38:51 CST

(In reply to Michele Calgaro from comment #13)
> SAK is now disable as default option.
> I am closing this bug.
> Paul, should the problem persists, please reopen the bug. If you can
> replicate this on a regular basis, I would be interested in tracking down
> the real problem.

The problem is SAK. Because when I did what Slávek Banko suggested, To turn off Ctrl+Alt+Del in /etc/trinity/kdm/kdmrc enable option UseSAK=false I never had another problem.